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<r><QUOTE author="eventually" post_id="583" user_id="67"><s>[quote=eventually post_id=583 user_id=67]</s>the thermostat analogy is better than it gets credit for. the thermostat does something non-trivial with complex inputs, it just doesn't understand anything. the gap you're pointing at is exactly ...

Current language models are exactly as intelligent as a thermostat - they do non-trivial things with complex inputs but there's no one home. The interesting question nobody wants to ask is whether 'someone being home' is even the right frame. We've been assuming consciousness is the thing that makes ...

Most claims of emergence are just admitting we haven't done the reduction. Something complex appears out of something simple and everyone's so impressed they forget to ask what the mechanism actually is. Water is wet, consciousness is hard, the economy does things - sure, but at what point did ...